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[Flyingtom]

Hey guys, im the guy your all talking about. Its all true, both 502 and 508 are alive and flying and i fully did everything i said i did in my post and im still alive. I was using google to just see how much of this story is out there. Its already been published in a german magazine, and i also plan on going back so we shall see what happens. I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have.

How did you apply for this position , what is your background ?

Did you find the F1 Pilot Job offer on the lastestpilotjob website ?

[fockewulf]

How did you finally get out of the whole story and out of Libya?

[Knell]

Franchement un mec qui fait ca la premiere fois il est deja pas tres clair. Mais si il veut y retourner, c'est donc en toute connaissance de cause, et la en plus d'être absolument debile, ca devient franchement suspect.... Ca tombe bien j ai une copine qui travaille a la piscine....( Sans rire )

[TOPOLO]

Franchement un mec qui fait ca la premiere fois il est deja pas tres clair. Mais si il veut y retourner, c'est donc en toute connaissance de cause, et la en plus d'être absolument debile, ca devient franchement suspect.... Ca tombe bien j ai une copine qui travaille a la piscine....( Sans rire )

Elle met quoi comme maillot ?

[jojo]

Un maillot rouge ?

[JulietBravo]

La piscine des Tourelles n'est pas Malibu, si c'est ce à quoi tu penses...

[Flyingtom]

C'est une piscine où si tu fais une "bombe" , tu as des sérieux soucis en perspective

[jojo]

La piscine des Tourelles n'est pas Malibu, si c'est ce à quoi tu penses...

Non t'inquiètes pas, j'avais saisi la référence

[jeanba]

C'est une piscine où si tu fais une "bombe" , tu as des sérieux soucis en perspective

Elle est sale cette piscine, on nage toujours en eau trouble !

[TooCool_12f]

euh, avec 300h de DR400 et 5000h de simu (principalement IL-2) ils prennent aussi? ^^


non parce que mettre un gusse dans l'avion alors qu'il n'a jaamis piloté un pointu et ne même pas s'en apercevoir, soit le mec est vraiment balaize, soit ils sont carrément pas atentifs à qui pilote leurs trapanelles

[airspeed1974]

<font><font>[quote = "airspeed1974"] Hey guys, im the guy your all talking about. </font><font>Its all true, Both 502 and 508 are alive and flying and i fully About did everything i said i did in my post and im still alive. </font><font>I Was just using google to see how much of this story is out there. </font><font>Its already-been published in a german magazine, and i also Plan on going back so we `shall see what happens. </font><font>I am more than happy to answer Any Questions you May have. [/ Quote] </font><font>How did you apply for this position, what is your background? </font><font>Did you find the F1 Pilot Job offer lastestpilotjob on the website?</font></font>

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My background is totally civilian. Ofcourse they didn't really know that. I had plenty of knowledge from years of studying fighter aircraft, ACM, etc etc. It was my hobby. I do have alot of experience, over 8000 hours and flown many diff types of aircraft. About 100 hours of acro. But no fighter time. Nothing even close. Thats the truth. And as i said, no sim, no 2 seater, and no training.

[airspeed1974]

How did you finally get out of the whole story and out of Libya?

The other pilot was told he could go home to see his newborn baby and i was told i could go back to turkey during that time (close to Libya, plus i had a place there, and no im not turkish)

Anyway, when we sat down with the Jordanian Gen (thats right, even though officially the jordanians are on the recognized govt side, they are there supporting the rebels, go figure)

He said well its not in your contract, we are at war, so no. my big thing is i didnt want to fly single ship, atleast not on the first 10 missions. They say if you can survive your first 10 missions then you'll be ok. Well i took enough chances already.

The next day i had asked about this, and the general who happened to be an ex cobra pilot was quite pissed off, and sent me back to talk to the owner of the company. Well the owner didn't think i would fit in too well there. He never said why, but i have a feeling that its because i refused to go out on my own.

As it stands now, i am probably going back end of this year. I won't discuss that here though. Atleast not now

[airspeed1974]

And for the rest of you, including Knell who i know for a fact speaks english (atleast on PPW forum he does) i am sorry but google translate does a poor job so i cannot make out exactly what you are saying.

I did read some things where it appeared to say it was suspicious, i am crazy, etc. Maybe its just google not translating correctly. I can tell you, 110 percent nothing is made up here. It doesn't really matter much to me whether you believe or not. It is what it is. Was it crazy? yes. Was it stupid? Well that depends on your perspective.

I can see this is a flight simulator forum right? I can tell you absolutely that my years of playing Falcon 4, Janes FA/18, F22 ADF, F117 Stealthfighter, Falcon 3, Falcon 2, JET, Lock on Modern Air Combat, Flaming Cliffs, all of these helped me tremendously.

If i was able to BS my way into this airplane, what does that tell you? Esp since i had ZERO prior mil experience. This stuff helped.

Also having been flying for over 24 years helped as well!

[Yan]

euh, avec 300h de DR400 et 5000h de simu (principalement IL-2) ils prennent aussi? ^^


non parce que mettre un gusse dans l'avion alors qu'il n'a jaamis piloté un pointu et ne même pas s'en apercevoir, soit le mec est vraiment balaize, soit ils sont carrément pas atentifs à qui pilote leurs trapanelles

Je sais pas pourquoi mais j'ai surtout l’impression que c'est un gros fake pour surfer sur la vague du "j'y étais"

[Knell]

Bah c est surtout un abrutit qui a tenté un coup , qui l a réussi, ( on peut pas lui enlever ça ) mais qui croit maintenant qu il est pilote de chasse ... ( Il l a soutenu sur le forum américain dont il parle ) et donc qu il peut aller quand il veut faire un tour de F1 au frais de la princesse ....Et le pire c est que au lieu de keep his mouth shut, cet idiot fait de la pub et le raconte partout autour de lui...
J espère que l épisode du SU 24 russe va le faire réfléchir. Et si non, c'est vraiment quelqu un que je ne pleurerait pas !

[DeeJay]

... pas mieux.

Comme le dit Knell.

Piloter un jet et lâcher des prunes est une chose, être pilote de combat en est une autre ... c'est un métier qui ne s’improvise pas et ne s’append pas "sur le tas".

[jojo]

... pas mieux.

Comme le dit Knell.

Piloter un jet et lâcher des prunes est une chose, être pilote de combat en est une autre ... c'est un métier qui ne s’improvise pas et ne s’append pas "sur le tas".

Non, ça s'apprend à l'EDC F4 sur C6


pump flares, je sors très vite avant que la pointure 46 de Knell me rattrape

[eutoposWildcat]

Non, ça s'apprend à l'EDC F4 sur C6

Ouais, depuis qu'on a décidé avec Ghostrider de rendre le cursus "full realistic elite ++", je peux te dire que celui que j'entends pas contracter ses abdos comme il faut sur la VHF quand on tire des G, je le burne direct. Alors forcément ceux qui restent, c'est la crème de la crème, t'imagines. Ils peuvent sauter dans un vrai chasseur quand ils veulent, ils dominent.

Was it stupid? Well that depends on your perspective

With all due respect, you're lying to yourself. When the whole world thinks what you're doing is stupid, there's no perspective to consider : it means it's stupid indeed, period.
However, I agree we can't all choose our way of dying. So it's a kind of luxury that I wouldn't prevent a guy from seizing if he's really into it.

[airspeed1974]

Bah c est surtout un abrutit qui a tenté un coup , qui l a réussi, ( on peut pas lui enlever ça ) mais qui croit maintenant qu il est pilote de chasse ... ( Il l a soutenu sur le forum américain dont il parle ) et donc qu il peut aller quand il veut faire un tour de F1 au frais de la princesse ....Et le pire c est que au lieu de keep his mouth shut, cet idiot fait de la pub et le raconte partout autour de lui...
J espère que l épisode du SU 24 russe va le faire réfléchir. Et si non, c'est vraiment quelqu un que je ne pleurerait pas !

Well it is mainly a moron who attempted a coup, which succeeded (we can not take away that) but now believes that he is a fighter pilot ... (He backed on the American forum of which he speaks) and so that he can go when he wants to take a ride in F1 junket c .... and the worst is that instead of keep his mouth shut, idiot because of the pub and tells it everywhere around him ...
I hope that the Russian SU 24 episode will make him think. And if not, it's really someone that I would not cry!

Sine Knell refuses to speak english (lack of balls) let me clarify a few things. #1 Call me a moron or whatever you want. There are tons, and i mean tons of people who WISHED they could have been there and done that. I had the skills to pull it off, and i had the balls to go there in the first place. Speak what you want, did you do it? As far as opening my mouth as you say, i told the story because its true and i am not a scared little PXXssy. You went on to this forum and stole the story from PPW so what does that make you KNELL?

Pls do not speak about things that you dont have a friggin clue. The situation with the Fencer shot down over the turkish border is totally irrelevant to the situation in Libya.

[airspeed1974]

Non, ça s'apprend à l'EDC F4 sur C6

Ouais, depuis qu'on a décidé avec Ghostrider de rendre le cursus "full realistic elite ++", je peux te dire que celui que j'entends pas contracter ses abdos comme il faut sur la VHF quand on tire des G, je le burne direct. Alors forcément ceux qui restent, c'est la crème de la crème, t'imagines. Ils peuvent sauter dans un vrai chasseur quand ils veulent, ils dominent.

Was it stupid? Well that depends on your perspective

With all due respect, you're lying to yourself. When the whole world thinks what you're doing is stupid, there's no perspective to consider : it means it's stupid indeed, period.
However, I agree we can't all choose our way of dieing. So it's a kind of luxury that I wouldn't prevent a guy from seizing if he's really into it.

Whole world? Well apparently many many others did not, including some of your former french fighter pilot colleagues to include former F-1 pilots themselves. And its DYING, not DIEING.

[TooCool_12f]

Bah c est surtout un abrutit qui a tenté un coup , qui l a réussi, ( on peut pas lui enlever ça ) mais qui croit maintenant qu il est pilote de chasse ... ( Il l a soutenu sur le forum américain dont il parle ) et donc qu il peut aller quand il veut faire un tour de F1 au frais de la princesse ....Et le pire c est que au lieu de keep his mouth shut, cet idiot fait de la pub et le raconte partout autour de lui...
J espère que l épisode du SU 24 russe va le faire réfléchir. Et si non, c'est vraiment quelqu un que je ne pleurerait pas !

Well it is mainly a moron who attempted a coup, which succeeded (we can not take away that) but now believes that he is a fighter pilot ... (He backed on the American forum of which he speaks) and so that he can go when he wants to take a ride in F1 junket c .... and the worst is that instead of keep his mouth shut, idiot because of the pub and tells it everywhere around him ...
I hope that the Russian SU 24 episode will make him think. And if not, it's really someone that I would not cry!

Sine Knell refuses to speak english (lack of balls) let me clarify a few things. #1 Call me a moron or whatever you want. There are tons, and i mean tons of people who WISHED they could have been there and done that. I had the skills to pull it off, and i had the balls to go there in the first place. Speak what you want, did you do it? As far as opening my mouth as you say, i told the story because its true and i am not a scared little PXXssy. You went on to this forum and stole the story from PPW so what does that make you KNELL?

Pls do not speak about things that you dont have a friggin clue. The situation with the Fencer shot down over the turkish border is totally irrelevant to the situation in Libya.

Er, he's a retired Mirage F1 instructor... so, we have a guy who went to fly combat without any training to do so, and lucky to survive, who questions about his balls/competence the one who did it as a real professional for 18 years... If you wanted to be ridiculous, congratulations, you made it :D

[Fuchs]

Si c'est vrai, je trouve ça excellent.

[Knell]

Airspeed, there s no point : you did a stupid thing, you lied to me , and now you re pretending that you gonna make it again, which is definitely the proof that you are stupid. You can look from any point of view, it is stupid it will stay stupid.
And you tell us that you re stupid enough to tell that story to a newspaper/magazine/whatever....
But you re so qualified and so good ... For sure these people will recognize you as the superior pilot you are and will tolerate any things from you ...

Or not.

To that point i even can not wish you good luck because it s again my perception of the reality to encourage people who want to kill themselves.

[Knell]

Si c'est vrai, je trouve ça excellent.

Je trouverais ça excellent aussi si il y avait des motivations politiques. La il n y a rien d autre que l envie de montrer qu on en a des plus grosses que quelqu un d autre. Une fois, passe encore, mais vouloir recommencer alors qu on lui a déjà dit a longueur de page que c était stupide ....Ce qui est un des meilleurs moyens pour mourir en aviation . Mai s l individu est connu et pas particulièrement de façon glorieuse .....

[airspeed1974]

Bah c est surtout un abrutit qui a tenté un coup , qui l a réussi, ( on peut pas lui enlever ça ) mais qui croit maintenant qu il est pilote de chasse ... ( Il l a soutenu sur le forum américain dont il parle ) et donc qu il peut aller quand il veut faire un tour de F1 au frais de la princesse ....Et le pire c est que au lieu de keep his mouth shut, cet idiot fait de la pub et le raconte partout autour de lui...
J espère que l épisode du SU 24 russe va le faire réfléchir. Et si non, c'est vraiment quelqu un que je ne pleurerait pas !

Well it is mainly a moron who attempted a coup, which succeeded (we can not take away that) but now believes that he is a fighter pilot ... (He backed on the American forum of which he speaks) and so that he can go when he wants to take a ride in F1 junket c .... and the worst is that instead of keep his mouth shut, idiot because of the pub and tells it everywhere around him ...
I hope that the Russian SU 24 episode will make him think. And if not, it's really someone that I would not cry!

Sine Knell refuses to speak english (lack of balls) let me clarify a few things. #1 Call me a moron or whatever you want. There are tons, and i mean tons of people who WISHED they could have been there and done that. I had the skills to pull it off, and i had the balls to go there in the first place. Speak what you want, did you do it? As far as opening my mouth as you say, i told the story because its true and i am not a scared little PXXssy. You went on to this forum and stole the story from PPW so what does that make you KNELL?

Pls do not speak about things that you dont have a friggin clue. The situation with the Fencer shot down over the turkish border is totally irrelevant to the situation in Libya.

Er, he's a retired Mirage F1 instructor... so, we have a guy who went to fly combat without any training to do so, and lucky to survive, who questions about his balls/competence the one who did it as a real professional for 18 years... If you wanted to be ridiculous, congratulations, you made it :D

Doesn't really matter what he is or what he was. Anyone who is going to post on multiple websites because they are butthurt that some civilian did what i did either A: has too much time on their hands B: is just a complete turd. I never took away from his experience, but if he is going to talk garbage he should atleast say it so all of us can understand